I thought I’d take a moment to mention that “The Rabbit Hole, volume 5: Just…Plain…Weird” has been put to bed.  Release date is October 31st (Happy Halloween!).

While it is difficult to follow past posts by Carl and Sue (among others) on the subject of criticism, let me offer some comments from the viewpoint of an (admittedly amateur) editor.

First off, no matter how much an editor would like to give some hints or suggestions along with a rejection slip, it’s just not possible since we are only allowed 24 hours in a day (although I will post some helpful [?] hints below).  This last go around we had over 220 submissions from which we chose 37 stories.  Now consider, we are a non-paying publication, with a volunteer staff (me, Curtis, and GD).  Imagine what it’s like at major magazines and publishing houses swamped with mountainous “slush piles”, along with submissions from agents of well-known authors.  (Something I assume most, if not all, reading this to be well aware of.) If I remember correctly, Molly Barton, one of the initial creators of our sorely missed Book Country, stated that it was her inability to help aspiring authors with criticism, etc. that led to the idea of a site where writers could help other writers.

Second, the accept/reject decision.  Ah, if only this were easy.  We are all human (no AI editors yet, that I know of — thank God!), and we all have our likes and dislikes.  That’s why I insist on having three editors for the decision-making process.  Editors should be like a clichéd tv family of siblings (e.g., a bookish one, a dumb one and the jock), only in this case with different likes and dislikes (genre 1, genre 2, and literary).  Why?  Because it keeps the resulting anthology diverse in tone and substance, but that diversity of opinion also results in a diversity of approach.  I think Curtis, GD, and I made a good team for RH V (GD replaced Atthys who worked on RH IV), because when their comments came in, I often felt like I was in the US Congress—no one agreed on anything (with rare exceptions).  The most common initial vote was 1 Yes, 1 No, and 1 Maybe.  It’s good to have a range of tastes from the more literary to the more pulpish, action or fantasy stories.  Everyone gets their say, and decisions get made. (BTW, no one ever threatened to hold their breath until they turned blue in fighting for a story). Remember, weird, like humor, ranges from the subtle to the outrageous!

In my case, when I first look over a submission, I read for plot (I find this kind of funny because if I have any strengths as an editor, it’s as a line editor).  As a result, I have initially advocated for stories (which didn’t make the cut) only to realize, on rereading following the receipt of another editor’s negative comments, that despite being a good story it was poorly written.  There was one, submitted for RH IV, which I remember really liking, but following that reread, had to admit that I didn’t have a month to turn it into acceptable English (a total rewrite of someone else’s story isn’t my job anyway). 

Well, I did promise some hints (feel free to share).  So here they are (and I apologize ahead of time if anyone is offended):

  1. Please read the call for stories, and/or the publication’s descriptive blurb, carefully!  The editors know what the theme of their publication is, and so should you. What do you think would happen if you submitted a story about growing up in Middle America for a cookbook compiling only flaming chili recipes? Or maybe a story about the great time you had getting drunk in college to Alcoholics Anonymous magazine? Why wait for the rejection slip? It’s a real shame when we get a beautifully written story about a little girl raising her first puppy or about an author mulling their life while facing his or her final days, but we’re specifically looking for, and asked for, weird stories. 
  2. Weird and gross are two very different things!  If necessary, look up the definitions.  While potty humor works well in elementary school and at frat parties, it doesn’t age well in print.  (I’ll spare you examples.)
  3. Submit fan fiction to fan magazines.  Enough said.
  4. Look, it may be true that every plot in this universe has been, in some fashion or other, previously used in a story or novel.  But please, please, at least try to add sufficient originality to your effort to avoid a red flag waving in the wind proclaiming to the reader, “You’ve read, or seen, this already!”  We had rehashes of “Through the Looking Glass” and “Alice in Wonderland”, but the worst was the blatant rip-off of Hitchcock’s “The Birds” (except the meanies were, I kid you not, commas! Yes, big, fat, flying, killer punctuation marks that impaled people with their pointy bits!  I’ll give the author this much, it was reasonably well written, but such a blatant rip-off we just had to pass on it (and no, it wasn’t a satire)).
  5. Note: a jokey narrator generally comes off as a wise-ass, not a wit. Pass.
  6. Please have someone who has a reasonable grasp of the English language read your story before you submit — and take their advice. Please.
  7. Never, ever, ever submit a first draft. (Yes, that means that just because you’ve completed the text of the story, it does not mean you are finished.)
  8. Gibberish is not weird, it’s just gibberish.
  9. This should actually be 8a) if written while stoned — Please don’t submit it.
  10. A personal bug-a-boo.  If you haven’t got an ending for your story, you haven’t got a story.  Others might disagree, but from my perspective, a good writer should know both how a story starts and how to end it. 
  11. And finally, please put your name and contact information at the top of the first page of your story.  I often had this wonderful experience teaching technical writing.  It seems people assume that since they have their name on the email containing the story file that grants immediate author recognition.  Instead it means, after downloading the story file into the “To Be Read” queue, the editor has to go search through email to see who sent it. (I, being nice, will.  I assume that larger publications just send “To Whom It May Concern” rejections slips when you inquire six months later.)

Let me finish by saying that despite all of the above, it has been a real joy working with Curtis, GD, and Atthys (on RH IV).  They are insightful, knowledgeable, and understand how to arrive at a group decision even if it means rejecting a personal favorite.  The Rabbit Hole IV and V would not have been the lovely anthologies they are without them.

So, after all my venting, let me ask — any interest in Rabbit Hole 6?

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39 responses to “Notes from an editor (jg.)

  1. GD Deckard Avatar

    Rabbit Hole 6?
    We can only consider a 6 because of the effort that you put into 5, Tom.
    Thank you for your time, your expertise, and your patience.

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  2. Carl E. Reed Avatar

    Thank you for this enlightening peek behind the curtain, Tom! And to all who made this latest anthology possible–writers and editors alike.

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  3. Sue Ranscht Avatar

    More than 220 entries? That’s great! I hope at least half of them deserved to be included in the anthology — just to make your task more challenging, lol. I trust only the best will be included, and I’m looking forward to 37 compellingly written stories. Thank you, Tom, Curtis, and GD, for your generous efforts toward making RH5 a reality.

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  4. mimispeike Avatar
    mimispeike

    It’s wonderful that you received so many entries.
    Do you have a theme for RH6?

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    1. GD Deckard Avatar

      I vote for a fun theme.

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      1. Carl E. Reed Avatar

        So do I. I’ve tried in years past to suggest something but been overruled every time. (Boo-fucking-whoo! Heh!) Here are some brand-new “fun” suggestions:

        1. Weird sex (and its consequences)
        2. Invasion of the Cartoon Characters/Stuffed Animals
        3. New Adventures of Public Domain Characters
        4. Insect Philosophy/Religion
        5. The End Times
        6. Cross-Genre Tales (Occult detective. Horror romance. Wittgensteinian Fantasy. Sci-fi: Cyborg Western. Sci-fi: Thriller: Second Contact. True-Crime Cookbook. Etc.)
        7. What I Did On My Summer Vacation
        8. Time Travel/Unraveled Tales
        9. Tales of Alternate History (Go, Mimi, go!)
        10. Far-out Fantasy
        11. Religious Texts Reimagined
        12. Balderdash Biographical Writings
        13. Tales of Mystical Mayhem
        14. The Machineries of Sorrow (melancholic fantasy tales)
        15. Post-Apocalyptic Stories
        16. Wrong-Footed Holiday Tales (Santa comes on Halloween; Monsters arrive Xmas Eve; The Easter Bunny materializes on Yom Kippur; the Tooth Fairy ruins Valentine’s Day)
        17. Who-hoo-HA-ha-hoo! Monkeys–anything involving monkeys, apes (past or present) or chimps.
        18. Demented Ghost Stories
        19. Writers Unhinged (Tales of mad writers, or writers driven mad, or . . .)
        20. Shock to the System (Shocking tales of . . . well, surprise us!)
        21. Tales of Lycanthropy (any were-creature . . . Please, no were-houses. Now, a were-toaster . . .)
        22. The Color Out of Sound (weird tales of synesthesia)
        23. Freaks, Frenchmen & Fossils (outre tales of Napoleonic circus shows held during over-seas archeological digs)
        24. Molecules & Morons
        25. Pepper, Angst, Moths, Circus Clouds & Ontology (a philosophical approach)
        26. Hellish Mesozoic Cults (demons, dinosaurs & demigods)
        27. AIEEEE! Turn It Down! (shattering tales of sonic mayhem)
        28. Leaves, Bears, Sunlight & Smoke (totally random tales)
        29. Read Between the Lines (tales told entirely through subtext)
        30. Gibberish (Completely Incoherent Stories; or First-Drafts from Novice Fictioneers)
        31. That Does Not Compute: Exterminate! (tales of A.I. run amuck)
        32. F#cked-Up Fairy Tales & Fables (self-explanatory)
        33. Weird War Tales
        34. Need a Date, Primate? (weird whore tales)
        35. Book Apocalypse (odd stories concerning bibliomaniacs & bibliophilia)
        36. I Wandered Lonely as a Clod (weird tales of club-footed poets)
        37. A Single Lit Window in the Manse at Night (Gothic tales)
        38. Attack of the Vapors (weird farting tales)
        39. Gifilte Fish & Godzilla (kaiju tales told from a Talmudic perspective)
        40. Grass & Magic (tales of sward & sorcery)
        41. Hey, Maaannn . . .Whoa! (Psychedelic Tales)
        42. Best Bud Spuds (tales of potato bro-mance)
        43. 51 Shades of Aubergine (erotic tales featuring color descriptions readers will have to look up)
        44. Stone Talons (tales of gargoyles)
        45. Hobgoblin Hoe-down (Eurocentric medieval fantasy meets the wild west)
        46. Gossamer Wings & Thistle Feet (not fairy tales but tales of fairies)
        47. Pharffignueven Blargle-Barf! (Senses-Shattering Elder Gods Burst from Non-Euclidean Planes Into Our Reality. Note: monsters must be hideous; bonus points if indescribable.)
        48. Mimetic Weirds (parodies of The Greats)
        49. Biter Bitten (tales in which the tables are turned on evil antagonists)
        50. D & D (dragons and debutantes)

        Please feel free to grow the list! (Obviously, most of these suggestions are tongue-in-cheek. I think we all could use a little humor at the moment; I know I could . . .)

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        1. Sandy Randall Avatar

          I’m down with 11. 13. And 15. … though I think I could totally do something with monkeys and alternate history and definitely with 10. Since that’s my genre home…

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        2. mimispeike Avatar
          mimispeike

          Monkeys, yes! Do I have a monkey for you!

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          1. Sandy Randall Avatar

            Hang on… let me get my popcorn, my favorite blanket and a mug o tea…

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        3. DocTom Avatar
          DocTom

          Gee, Carl, as I’ve mentioned in the past, it’s a lot of fun to come up with a theme, but the problem is themes often heavily restrict the number of submissions. As a comparison, for RH IV, themed “Madness”, we had 92 submissions, while for RH V “Just…Plain…Weird” we had 221. We have to remember that we don’t exactly drown authors in riches for each accepted story, so having a rigid theme relies on folks having (in many cases) pre-existing stories that fit the theme.

          Now that doesn’t mean we can’t have fun. We could title a forthcoming volume “The Rabbit Hole 6: A Cacophony of Wierdness”, or some such, and in the listing state we’re looking for weird stories with themes including a number of your “fun” suggestions. That way we differentiate the volume by its title, while still casting a wide net.

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          1. Carl E. Reed Avatar

            Just ‘avin’ a bit o’ fun, Tom!

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            1. DocTom Avatar
              DocTom

              I got that Carl, but since your comments always draw a lot of interest I just thought it a good place to point out a few things.

              Also, while your list is near exhaustive, how about:
              “We Who Serve the Others” (stories about dentists treating vampires, pet groomers who also handle were-wolves, yeti, etc., and, of course, Frankenstein’s plastic surgeon).

              And, lastly,

              “To Boldly Not Go…. ” (tales from the Star Fleet budget office).

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              1. Carl E. Reed Avatar

                I chuckled at that last suggestion, Tom! Here’s hoping others chime in with their suggestions, serious or otherwise.

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  5. curtisbausse Avatar

    I’d like to extend boundless thanks to Tom, not only for taking on the task of editing RH5 but for doing it with such thoroughness, discernment and conscientiousness. I know from experience the amount of work involved, and Tom has done it better than I ever did or could (a simple glance at our respective spreadsheets would show you instantly what I mean). Though GD and I helped with the selection of the stories, Tom did 90% of the editing, all the formatting, the cover, and all the procedure of publication itself. We need to mint a special RH medal and arrange a ceremony to award it.

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    1. GD Deckard Avatar

      I Second Curtis’ motion to establish an award for Tom. Maybe, something akin to “The Order of the Garter” only it’s an Order of the Writers Co-op, with appropriate divisions. Garter Principal Anthologist of the Writers Co-op?

      All suggestions welcome!

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      1. DocTom Avatar
        DocTom

        Wow! Talk about going overboard! I might have done a bit of the grunt work, but the most important aspect of putting together a really good anthology is the choosing of stories to include. And that, I must insist, was a labor of three equals. Curtis and GD, without your insights, the anthology wouldn’t have been anywhere near as good as it is.

        BTW, while humbled and honored by the thought of an award, I don’t wear garters, so let’s not bother. Thanks though.
        🤣😎

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        1. DocTom Avatar
          DocTom

          One more thing. Considering the amount of work GD has put in on this site, and the efforts Curtis put in editing The Rabbit Hole volumes 0, 1, 2, and 3 (plus his “Book A Break series of anthologies), I consider myself at the end of a long line of those deserving any kudos.

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  6. Sandy Randall Avatar

    I’m still working my way through the collection of RH0-IV … The challenge of being late to the party😁
    Doc Tom, thank you for posting the guidelines of submission. I belong to a local writers group here in Washington State. They also publish an anthology. Their submission guidelines are nearly word for word what you posted. The only difference is they require a 1-3 page synopsis and they are very specific on what they want to see. To ignore that kind of clarity is perilous to hope of being published. It is also a good way to measure if you are ready to publish. If you cannot meet the criteria, it’s time to be honest about where you are in your craft.
    Thank you for that valuable tool!

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  7. mimispeike Avatar
    mimispeike

    For a theme, how about: A Gorgeous Grift?

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  8. mimispeike Avatar
    mimispeike

    Yes, I see how the theme would affect the number of entries. I submit something I have that seems to fit a theme, or I create something that I think will work into the storyline of my novellas.

    For many a theme, I won’t see a way for me to participate. I won’t steal the time from Sly.

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  9. mimispeike Avatar
    mimispeike

    There is a third possibility. The theme may spark an idea for a new story entirely. Sly began, around 1985, as a short story, and grew and grew. It could happen again.

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    1. Sandy Randall Avatar

      I have several of those … Thinking there is not enough time between now and before I die to see them all through … hmmm here’s a theme idea … It’s not the destination … it’s the journey. lol

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      1. Carl E. Reed Avatar

        That works, Sandy! DESTINATION: JOURNEY

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        1. DocTom Avatar
          DocTom

          DESTINATION: JOURNEY. I have to admit I like that. It is both a valid concept (in the sense that the destination is a chimera, the journey being the end-all, be-all of existence), and a non sequitur. This opens up the realm of possible submissions, since the non sequitur can mean pretty much anything.

          I’d be quite happy with that as a theme if others are also happy with it.

          While that’s being discussed, there’s one more item to be explored. While I would be happy to again take on the main editorial duties, I would still need two volunteers to act as associate editors. Anyone willing to step forward?

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          1. Carl E. Reed Avatar

            I can’t, Tom. But there is one way I could help: As I mentioned last year, I want to review the jacket copy and make suggestions before the book (should another one materialize) see print.

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          2. curtisbausse Avatar

            I like that theme as well – it opens up many possibilities.
            As to editing, I’ll wait a bit to see if others come forward. It’s a very rewarding experience (I’m not kidding!) and it would be nice to have a different viewpoint coming in. That would be my preference, but I’ll hold myself in reserve should there be no other takers.

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          3. Sandy Randall Avatar

            Non Sequitor, one of my favorite terms … It fits with my love of Brownian motion. Both sum up my oldest sons childhood … and probably explains my parenting ability or lack thereof.😎
            As to editing … I would willingly give it a go, but let me be frank and upfront about my skill … There is absolutely no editorial experience aside from rewriting my own work. It would be learn as I go. Not sure how much extra work it would put on everyone else, but the last thing I would want to do is frustrate or annoy.
            If there is another way to gain skill, I am totally open to suggestion and perhaps will be able to lend skill in the future?

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            1. DocTom Avatar
              DocTom

              The editorial job mainly consists of reading all submissions and helping choose the thirty or so which will make it into the book (I think we’ve explained how that’s done). Following that, I would assign 4 or 5 stories to you for editing. It’s almost exclusively line editing (grammar, spelling, punctuation). I’ve never been an advocate of trying to rewrite someone else’s story — if it needs major structural work, it just gets rejected. If, once you’ve done the line editing, you send it back to me I’ll look it over and provide you with feedback should I see any problems. The goal is to present a very well-polished work.

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              1. Sandy Randall Avatar

                I can do that.
                Consider me interested… but if there is anyone more qualified… by all means I understand… I’m ok with being the last kid picked for the team. I’ll give my best regardless.

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        2. Sandy Randall Avatar

          Thanks Carl! Just the way you put it got my brain working overtime!
          I spent today tormenting Sophia… imagine designer shoes meets dead animal… 😂

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  10. Boris Avatar

    I submitted a number of stories to Rabbit Hole 5 which I thought fit the theme well, but none of them were accepted. Perhaps I have misinterpreted the definition of “weird fiction” because as well as being weird in content, many of my stories didn’t have characters and didn’t follow the conventional plot narrative of exposition/rise/climax/resolution, and that might have counted against them. I just thought that, given that you were looking for weird fiction, that the conventional plot narrative is something that would certainly need not have been observed, for I assumed that weird fiction, by its very definition, subverts all the conventional rules of story writing, such as having a conventional plot structure. Additionally, wouldn’t weird fiction also subvert the rule of needing to have characters in your stories? But perhaps “weird” in “weird fiction” only refers to “weird content” and not to “weird story structure”?

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  11. Carl E. Reed Avatar

    Good questions, Boris! I look forward to Tom’s answer.

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  12. curtisbausse Avatar

    Boris – glad you brought up the topic, which as I suggested to you could be the topic of a post if you’d like to write one. It would perhaps lead to a fuller discussion than a simple comment. But I’ll add my two cents here for what it’s worth.
    We (Tom, GD and I) didn’t set out beforehand a list of criteria that would define what ‘weird’ is – I think that would be very difficult to do. So ultimately it comes down to personal taste, which is obviously highly subjective. As Tom mentioned in his post, we only rarely agreed fully, and this has been my experience for all the anthologies I’ve done. It’s easier to agree on what is a bad story than a good one, though occasionally we did all agree when a really good story stood out. But most were in between, so it came down to fine distinctions that brought a story down on one side or another, and as we were anxious to conduct the selection in a spirit of collaboration rather than confrontation, none of us was virulent in defending a particular choice if the others weren’t too keen on it.
    I’m aware that in saying all that, I’m just explaining how we proceeded, not discussing what we actually mean by ‘weird’. Personally I have a preference for quirky rather than over-the-top weird, but there were some very well written stories that didn’t even quite reach quirkiness. Your own? I don’t think I’m the best qualified to comment on them as I’ve read so many now that perhaps there’s a saturation effect which makes it difficult to put myself in the place of someone who’s unfamiliar with them. But they’re definitely quirky, original and well written, and one of them might indeed have been worthy of inclusion (but we did have a lot of entries this time, so plenty of competition). As to the absence of conventional characters or narrative structure, I wouldn’t see that as a problem myself, but perhaps GD or Tom will add their own comments on that. I hope this provides at least the beginning of an answer!

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    1. DocTom Avatar
      DocTom

      Well, this is a valid question, so I’m going to try to give a valid answer. At the same time I can’t go into specifics for any given story submitted by Boris.

      Curtis has very well summarized how we went about the decision process, so I’ll pretty much skip that and concentrate on my own approach. When a story arrives in the inbox, I try to read it ASAP to avoid building up a large backlog. Why? A fellow faculty member once told me not to read more than four or five essays at a sitting, because after four or five you become either hyper-critical (if the previous were good) or hyper-generous (if the previous were dog meat). So I try to limit myself to a couple or three submissions at a sitting. And when I read them I try to read them the same way I would had I been reading an already published anthology. I need to act like a reader because that’s who we’re aiming at. Is the story, for me, a “Wow!”, “Meh”, or “Eew”? Does it make me think? Smile? Fall asleep? Wonder who’s winning the current football game (I hate sports and could care less). Am I turning the pages quickly because I’m being carried along on a torrent of words and can’t stop, or because I just want to get to the end of this bloody awful piece of… Oh well, you get the point. I then enter my comments in the tabulation of submissions I’ve created and move on.

      Now, if I’m a strong “Yes” or a strong “No”, and one of the other reviewers is just the opposite, I’ll give the story a second read to consider their comments. As I said in the blog post, I’ve agreed to reject stories I liked and accepted those I was not thrilled by after considering my colleagues opinions and giving the story an extra read.

      So what does all this have to do with Boris’ question? Well, it’s that (as Curtis mentioned) we don’t have a set of criteria for what is weird, but just like everyone else we have our own likes and dislikes. I don’t think a story has to follow a given format or structure, but I do think that it has to connect with the reader. I will admit that the farther one diverges from a ‘standard’ story structure the more it has to grab the reader and carry them along. But that is also true of stories following a conventional plot narrative structure. After all, that’s what writing fiction is all about.

      Along those lines, as I read Boris’ post I immediately thought of the short story, “The Rag Thing” by Donald A. Wollheim (writing as David Grinnell). Only 1600 words long, and with characters who mainly are there to set the mood, it’s a story I read many, many years ago, and I’ve never forgotten it. Is the structure of the story a bit different? Maybe, but that never mattered to me, the reader.

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      1. Carl E. Reed Avatar

        As I’ll never forget the PKD story where the backyard dog goes apeshit every morning when the garbage men show up to steal master’s “treasures”.

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        1. Sandy Randall Avatar

          Roooog, Woof, grrr, huff, huff huff ….
          Sorry, my pooch hijacked my keyboard …

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      2. Boris Avatar

        Thank you Tom for your explanation of the selection process.

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    2. Boris Avatar

      Thank you Curtis for your reply and explanations.

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  13. DocTom Avatar
    DocTom

    Well, so far I’ve got two maybes as associate editors. Anyone else? Any other thoughts?

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