G.D. did me the favor of submitting The Rogue Decamps to Dark Owl Publishing. He has a relationship with them, having done some editing for them. The head of the company gave a quick reply. GD reports:

“She said she did enjoy the manuscript and loved the illustration, but the books she’s currently featuring are darker, horror stories. For some reason, she suggested that Baen Books might be interested in publishing it.” 

Frankly, when I looked at Dark Owl’s website, at their range of books, I was not optimistic that Sly would go there. I have looked into Baen. I have the same impression. It is another genre site, of the horror/fantasy/ wizards/dragons variety. Also, I am put off by the many very specific instructions for submitting. I fear I will break a rule and be immediately rejected on that account.

I have found two small publishers on ‘29 Book Publishing Companies For Authors Without Agents’, on Kindlepreneur. Both publish such a variety of material that Sly might fit. Am I mad? This is fast company; both have published titles that have made the New York Times Bestseller lists. On the other hand, what have I got to lose? A genre publisher is not going to take me.

I will submit to Skyhorse Publishing and Kensington Publishing. I’ve already submitted to a small publisher in London. I hoped my Elizabethan nonsense might appeal to them. That was my thinking when I tried Unbound several years ago. I never heard back.

But I will continue to ready ‘Decamps’ to self-publish, while I solve my image problems. What are my image problems? I cannot pin down the definition of ‘fair use’. (Encompassing, so I read, images that are altered to a substantial degree, something entirely new made of them.)

I pull images off the web, marry them, and manipulate them. I have the top half of one face, and the bottom half of another. Feathers are feathers, who’s to say where I got them? I can replace the unique ribbon-doo-dad. The ruff, I am very attached to that ruff.

Dreamstime will sell me the rights for personal use (a greeting card, etc.) for one price; for commercial use (a published book) for another. I must purchase the rights to four images, and mess with three others until they are unrecognizable.

Easiest is to place Sly on Kindle, but the advantage of these small publishers is that they display their books as in a catalogue; you have a chance of being noticed. Your book is not one of the millions that sinks in Amazon’s Sea of Heartbreak like a stone.

Do I dare to buy rights for personal use only? Another reason to self-publish. I may take a chance. I can’t ask a publisher to risk it. I’m thinking of throwing my money at the cover, and deleting the other images in the book.

Another thing about Baen. They want at least a hundred-thousand words. I’m thinking, gang ‘Rogue Decamps’ right-side up, ‘Rogue at Sea’ upside-down, the back cover is the cover for book two. You’ve seen that done, right? Books one and two ganged will give me the hundred thousand words.

I read that publishers don’t want to take on a novella. Too much work for too little profit. It’s Kindle for me, I’m afraid. At least we have Kindle. Kindle is a distribution mechanism few, twenty years ago, dreamed of.

I’m going to call Dreamstime on Monday and lay my cards on the table. I’ve just been advised (on Medium) to pay it straight. And I see that when I sign up for a subscription plan I get a certain number (how many depends on size and use) of free downloads. I’ve made up my mind, I guess.

The path to publication: a rocky road.

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26 responses to “A Rocky Road”

  1. GD Deckard Avatar

    A popular category of books is “How to Become a Published Writer.” Makes sense. The list of famous writers who struggled to get published include JK Rowling, Louisa May Alcott, George Orwell, Vladimir Nabokov, William Golding, Sylvia Plath, etc., etc. And as the vast majority of today’s published authors know, fame is not just fleeting. It’s fled. Obviously, we write to satisfy ourselves in the process. I have a stack of short stories on my desk, finished, but never submitted. It’s satisfying to look at that stack. Like unspent gold coins, unpublished stories can feed dreams. So, keep at it Mimi. I believe you will someday make that list of famous writers who struggled to get published.

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    1. Sandy Randall Avatar

      I have more to say, but I’m on a ten minute break and typing on my phone … I’ll wait until I get to my computer…
      However, here’s an avenue to checkout… look at Worldbuilders… when I get to my computer I’ll get you their link.
      Perhaps they can help…

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  2. Sandy Randall Avatar

    Ok I am home now … here’s the promised link …
    https://worldbuildersmarket.com/
    At the bottom of their page they have an email for questions and under the creators link https://worldbuildersmarket.com/collections/all-creators
    They have an official creator sign up. Might be worth checking in to them. I do like that they also sell the merch of their creators.
    I know there are other indie groups out there. Should I run across them, I will forward their info to you.

    Mimi, if I was a better artist I would paint for you for free … Since most of my stuff looks like goofy cartoons … ah well. I will do this … As I read through what you sent me, any inspiration to paint Sly or any of your other characters, I will send you … yours to keep and do with what you wish.

    Keep us posted on your journey. The whole publishing thing has been a mystery to me … I appreciate everyone here who has shed some light!

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  3. mimispeike Avatar
    mimispeike

    I have found two authoritative-sounding articles on art copyright. Any work created before 1924 (the goalpost will move as time rolls along) are in the public domain. Any copyright applies to the photograph of the artwork, not to the work itself. If I sent a photographer to a museum in Europe, aside from getting permission to take photos in the space, there would be no problem.

    My art for Sly is pretty safe. I will buy rights to Don-whoever-he-is in the chair up there, but the king’s weird hat, it’s safe to use. Theatrical/contemporary shots of unique clothing, I’ll buy the rights.

    Yes, my art for Sly is safe. My art for Maisie is not. Many of those early movie posters and stills won’t be securely in the public domain for another ten years. But I feel comfortable continuing to work on Maisie, perhaps printing a private edition for friends, and publish for general consumption just before I am in danger of dropping dead, or in 2030 or so, whichever comes first.

    The advice I got on Medium was not as solid as it could have been. Thank God.

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    1. Sandy Randall Avatar

      Mimi,
      You might find this article helpful as well … I know Steamboat Willie has nothing to do with Sly or Maisie, but the rights to SW apply.
      https://www.cartoonbrew.com/law/steamboat-willie-copyright-mickey-mouse-2024-224477.html

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    2. Sandy Randall Avatar

      Mimi,
      What is the name of the hat (Headgear, cap, cover, cap) Sly is wearing on the lower right picture? (The picture where he appears intent on biting any publisher who doesn’t believe he exists… lol)

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      1. GD Deckard Avatar

        A muffin hat?

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  4. Sue Ranscht Avatar

    I think the no-response submissions are the most aggravating. They just leave you hanging. Even a form rejection is preferable.

    Without an agent, your plan to pursue small independent publishers that aren’t genre-specific sounds wise. All the interviews I’ve watched with agents, editors, and publishers make having an agent attractive not only because they have knowledge of the industry, but also because if an agent has developed trusting relationships with editors and publishers, like GD apparently has, they receive preferential consideration. Every little boost helps.

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  5. mimispeike Avatar
    mimispeike

    I am determined that Sly is not going to sink out of sight on Amazon, or wherever it ends up. I am confident now that I can safely pair the story with a paper doll. All his outfits are out of centuries-old paintings. Would it be helpful to mention a paper doll advertising campaign in my query letter? I suspect not. The story has to live or die on its own merits.

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    1. GD Deckard Avatar

      “Would it be helpful to mention a paper doll advertising campaign in my query letter? ”
      That is exactly a question best answered by an agent. Maybe, you should first look for an agent? Because, once you have one, you can then focus your time on writing.

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  6. Mike Van Horn Avatar

    Mimi, I belong to a group called BAIPA–Bay Area Independent Publishers Assn. While based near San Francisco, the meetings are held via Zoom, so we have participants from all over. The regulars include a copyright lawyer, an image use specialist, plus authors who’ve published books with color and gloss–children’s books, travel books, nature books, etc. People with similar issues you face. They meet first Saturday each month (just yesterday, alas) at 9:00am CA time. Visitors are welcome.
    baipa.org.

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    1. mimispeike Avatar
      mimispeike

      Thank you so much! I have no idea how to go to a Zoom meeting. Can you tell me?

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      1. Mike Van Horn Avatar

        Once you sign up on baipa.net, they will send you a link you can open on your computer, iPad, or phone. If you’ve never used Zoom before, you’ll need to download the app at zoom.us.app. It’s free.
        The evening before the meeting, they will email the link for the Zoom meeting. On April 1, 9:00am CA time, click on it to enter the meeting. Once you get in, there are buttons on the screen for Mute and Video. Click on them so you can see and hear and be seen.
        You’ll have an opportunity to introduce yourself. Make sure you have your book cover to hold up to the computer camera. People will love what you’re doing.

        If you’d like to do a test beforehand, I’d be glad to do it with you, after you’ve downloaded the Zoom app.
        If you have trouble, let me know; I’ll be glad to help.

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        1. mimispeike Avatar
          mimispeike

          I don’t see how to become a member. I hit join and nothing tells me how to join. This looks like a valuable site. Everyone go take a look at it.

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    2. Sandy Randall Avatar

      Thank’s for sharing this Mike! Totally in my time zone and a short flight from Washington … I will check this out too.

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      1. Mike Van Horn Avatar

        We have zoomers from all over–Florida, Massachusetts, New York. Our president zooms from Portland, OR.

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  7. Mike Van Horn Avatar

    On baipa.org menu bar, the 3rd button is Join. Click that and it gives you an option to Select $10 a month. Click that and fill in all the data requested. The reason for $10 is that their membership year starts May 1, so $10 is for the remaining month. Then if you want you can renew for the coming year.

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    1. mimispeike Avatar
      mimispeike

      I see it now. I’ll explore the site, then I’ll probably join. How has being a member helped you? Me on the other side of the country, I can’t go to events, fairs, etc.

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      1. Mike Van Horn Avatar

        It’s helped me in three ways. Presenters that address key topics for authors. Q&A session where I can draw on the expertise of all these authors more experienced than I am. Just being with all these other published authors, getting their feedback and support.
        Every meeting I get things that are worth doing to produce and promote my books.
        And there are also newcomers who haven’t yet published anything.

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        1. mimispeike Avatar
          mimispeike

          Do you have a forum where members can ask questions about a current concern, and those who can answer, give an answer?

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          1. Mike Van Horn Avatar

            Yes, that’s the first hour of each meeting. Sometimes I get the best info then—even from other people’s questions. If you join in don’t be shy about asking your question.

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            1. mimispeike Avatar
              mimispeike

              That is good, of course, but the meeting is once a month. Is there a place on the website to ask questions, like we do here?

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              1. Mike Van Horn Avatar

                I haven’t seen such discussions on the website or blog.

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                1. mimispeike Avatar
                  mimispeike

                  I’m exploring the site and thinking about – join now or when I have a book published?

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  8. Perry Palin Avatar
    Perry Palin

    I collected a lot of rejection letters while I was scatter gunning my submissions.

    I eventually found the magazines that published my stories when I read similar stuff in their editions.

    I found my small independent publisher by word-of-mouth from another writer. In my submission letter to the publisher I shamelessly dropped names of people that I knew he knew, told him I knew where he went to high school, and that I knew where his summer cabin was located. It took him less than a week to accept my first short story collection after reading only three stories.

    If I was looking for another publisher I would look for regional houses with similar books to mine in the local public library and in local independent bookstores. When I read a book I like, I record the name of the publishing company and the contact information.

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    1. Sandy Randall Avatar

      I do something similar. If I read a book I like, I check to see if they were Indie published or just how they were published in general. The link I provided to Worldbuilders is one such publisher.

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